How
to shut down the Australian Senate in under 14 minutes, during an argument over a five minute difference between allotted speaking times OR one of the many ways members of parliament choose to waste Treasury funds.
Player Cheat Sheet:
Labor Senator Sue Lines for Western Australia, President of the Senate.
Labor Senator Loiuse Pratt for Western Australia, Acting Deputy President of the Senate
Liberal Senator Maria Kovacic for New South Wales
Labor Senator Helen Polley for Tasmania
Independent Senator Lidia Thorpe for Victoria
Liberal Senator Paul Scarr for Queensland
Labor Senator Murray Watt for Queensland.
Senate
Hansard, 27 February 2024,
pages 101-103:
Note: My yellow highlighting throughout the excerpt
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT (Senator Pratt): Senator Polley, if you could
just pause for a moment—
Senator Kovacic?
Senator
Kovacic: I've been waiting here for over an hour and 15 minutes, as
the schedule has shifted around over and over.
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: If you are seeking a point of order—
Senator
Kovacic: It's five minutes—
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: No. Senator Scarr was the first speaker when
no-one jumped up before then. We immediately went into 10 minutes
right from the outset. Some people spoke for less than 10 minutes, as
a courtesy to the chamber. But under the standing orders anyone can
now speak for 10, because that is what—
Senator
Thorpe: We weren't told that by the last speaker—
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: I beg your pardon? Senator Thorpe!
Senator
Thorpe: We weren't told that by the last speaker! We were told by the
person—
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, sit down now! You won't get
the call at all unless you sit down now. Senator Scarr?
Senator
Scarr: Acting Deputy President, my understanding was that we were
going through the 10 minutes and then we were starting with the five
minutes with Senator McCarthy. So, Senator McCarthy has spoken.
Senator Sharma spoke. We're now onto Senator Polley. My
understanding—and I think the Acting Deputy President who was in
the chair indicated we were on five minutes—
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Scarr, I understand what the
President indicated. Senator McCarthy spoke for 10 minutes—
Senator
Thorpe: No she didn't!
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: and that is because she had agreement to
move from the list to do a 10-minute speech. So, I'm just going
according to the standing orders.
Senator
Thorpe: We were told five minutes!
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senators! It is a courtesy to the chamber—
Senator
Thorpe interjecting—
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Stop! Stop interjecting, Senator Thorpe, and
I will tell you what the rules are.
Senator
Thorpe: Wake up, because you've been asleep in that chair, and I have
a mother who lost a son to your system—
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, sit down now!
Senator
Thorpe interjecting —
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, you will come to order.
Senator
Thorpe: Wake up! Wake up!
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, I've been listening intently
to the speeches before me—
Senator
Thorpe: No, you have not—
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Polley's speech on dementia and the
speech on concussion, which I note you were taking a deep interest in
because of your parliamentary work.
Senator
Thorpe interjecting—
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Kovacic, I'm sure you're very glad
you took a point of order! Please, both of you sit down and I will
allow Senator Polley to continue. Senator Polley, you have the call.
Senator
Thorpe: We were told five minutes. How can you as the chair change
the rules? How can you come in and change the rules?
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Polley has the call.
Senator
Thorpe: How come all of us heard one thing and you heard something
different?
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Polley, you have the call.
Senator
POLLEY: I'd like—
Senator
Thorpe: No. A point of order!
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, what is your point of order?
Senator
POLLEY: You're delaying it.
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Kovacic, you're on your feet.
Senator Polley, my apologies.
Senator
Thorpe: Where's the President? Where's the President? Where's the
President?
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Kovacic, what's your point of order,
please?
Senator
Kovacic: I have been on my feet for quite some time—
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Yes, I understand that.
Senator
Kovacic: I'm ready to sit down. I don't think it's appropriate for to
you reflect on whether I'm happy that I raised a point of order. I
raised it because it was appropriate and we wanted to understand when
we would be able to speak. I don't think that was too much for either
of us to ask.
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Kovacic, I will reflect
on that as chair. Senator Thorpe?
Senator
Thorpe: I'd like, respectfully, for your conduct to be reviewed by
the President, who should be in the seat dealing with this issue
right now because we are being done over by you and them.
The
ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT: By all means. Senator Polley?
Senator
Thorpe: Point of order, now that the President is in the chair—
The
PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, the way adjournment operates is by
agreement. Senator McGrath made an ruling earlier because when we
went to adjournment tonight there was not one senator on the
five-minute list in the chamber, so he quite properly went to the
10-minute speakers and then reverted to the five-minute speakers.
Senator Pratt has explained that. Senator Polley has the call. I'm
going to give her the call.
Senator
Thorpe: A point of order. That was not properly explained
[inaudible]—
The
PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, please resume your seat. I'm not
entertaining any more points of order. Please resume your seat. I've
ordered and the matter is finished with. I have been watching
adjournment since it began.
Senator
Thorpe: Of course you have, so you should know.
The PRESIDENT:
Senator Thorpe, resume your seat. I will order that you no longer be
heard.
Senator
Thorpe interjecting—
The
PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, you will no longer be heard.
Senator
Thorpe: Have you made that ruling?
The
PRESIDENT: Senator Polley?
Senator
POLLEY: I was about to conclude my remarks—
Senator
Thorpe: Point of order: are you telling me that I can't be heard?
Because I want to know. Is that right? Is that what's happening?
The
PRESIDENT: Senator Polley, please resume your seat. Senator Thorpe, I
have ordered that you no longer be heard. Please resume your seat.
Senator
Thorpe: I'm not going to leave this chamber. I will read now.
The
PRESIDENT: Senator Polley, please continue.
Senator POLLEY: As I was
saying, President, I was about to conclude my remarks on what I
think—
Senator
Thorpe interjecting—
The
PRESIDENT: Senator Polley, please resume your seat.
Senator
Thorpe interjecting—
The
PRESIDENT: Minister Watt?
Senator
Watt: I ask that the Senate now be adjourned. Question agreed
Senate
adjourned at 20:49