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Two fossil fools currently roaming wild in Australia Saudi Arabian Oil Company director Andrew Liveris (left) and Prime Minister Scott Morrison (right) IMAGE: Crikey, 16 September 2020
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In March 2020 Australian Prime Minister & Liberal MP for Cook Scott Morrison created the National
COVID-19 Co-ordination Commission Advisory Board with the aim of building a fossil fuel led economic recovery.
One Andrew N. Liveris - former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the Dow Chemical Company, former director of DowDuPont, current director of Saudi Arabian Oil Company, self-styled advisor to Australian & US governments and an apparent chum of Andrew 'Twiggy' Forrest of Cashless Welfare Card fame and Scott Morrison - became a Special
Adviser to the Commission from April 2020 to September 2020 and head of the Commission's Manufacturing Taskforce.
Perhaps there is a hint in the following exchange as to why he is no longer mentioned in connection with the National COVID-19 Co-ordination Commission.
The man has a very large ego and a rather abrasive personality. He apparently also has a problem with basic maths.
ABC
Q&A program,
22
April
2021 transcript,
excerpts:
HAMISH
MACDONALD:
Andrew
Liveris, you’ve promoted this gas-led recovery. Many take the view
that you’re committing us to fossil fuels for much longer than we
need to.
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
So,
let me...
HAMISH
MACDONALD:
Explain
it. Justify it.
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
...let
me teach you a new term – fossil feedstock. OK? Let me...
NARELDA
JACOBS:
Let
me teach you a term.
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
Yeah,
please.
NARELDA
JACOBS:
If
you believe there’s a future in fossil fuels...
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
Yeah.
NARELDA
JACOBS:
...then
you are a fossil...fool.
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
Narelda...
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
Thank
you. I take it as a...I take it as a badge of honour that you would
call me that. Fossil feedstock is all of your modern life. You want
to live a modern life, you need a fossil feedstock. You can’t get
carbon any other way. If you want a chemistry lesson, I’ll help you
out the back.
MALCOLM
TURNBULL:
Oh...
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
What
you’ve got to do...
SARAH
HANSON-YOUNG:
Man...
MALCOLM
TURNBULL:
Andrew.
Andrew.
SARAH
HANSON-YOUNG:
...you’re
just...
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
Listen.
SARAH
HANSON-YOUNG:
You’re
so patronising. Like, just...
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
But...
SARAH
HANSON-YOUNG:
Seriously.
HAMISH
MACDONALD:
Let’s
just try and keep it respectful amongst all of us...
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
And
you’re not?
HAMISH
MACDONALD:
...and
stick to the policy...
SARAH
HANSON-YOUNG:
Well,
I’m not the one shaking my finger at people, mate.
HAMISH
MACDONALD:
Folks,
let’s just keep to the policy, if we can.
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
Yeah.
Well, you’re yelling.
HAMISH
MACDONALD:
Uh,
why is it that Australia...why is it that Australia needs a gas
pipeline, for example, across the Nullarbor to bring it to the east
coast from the west? Can you just justify this promotion of a gas-led
recovery?
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
There’s
850,000 Australians employed by industries that use gas as a
feedstock. 850,000. At the current pricing levels, they’re
paid Japanese spot price. Spot price. So, Japan gets cheaper gas than
we do for our industry. Those industries you need for everyday life.
And I’ll take the commentary that I’m patronising and I’m
yelling, ‘cause I’m passionate about this, ‘cause there’s a
gap in our knowledge base.
I’ll
buy Malcolm’s discussion on gas as a firming fuel anytime. I
totally agree with that. Gas as a segue to hydrogen, I also agree
with that. That’s the fuel part. The feedstock part is not well
understood, and it absolutely, totally makes me... Try to understand,
why is it not understood in this wonderful country of ours? These
jobs need to be not only protected, but we need to grow them. So,
we... This sequester of carbon…
HAMISH
MACDONALD:
So,
how long do we need gas for as a transition fuel, then?
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
So,
again, you use the word ‘fuel’, OK, and I’m trying to
actually...
HAMISH
MACDONALD:
Yeah,
I understand the point you’re making about feedstock, but...
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
You
do?
HAMISH
MACDONALD:
...ultimately,
this is a question that’s been put to you about a commitment to
fossil fuels longer-term.
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
So,
remember...
HAMISH
MACDONALD:
So,
I’m just trying to understand what you...what period you see us
using gas as a transition for.
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
The
National COVID Commission work we did was for manufacturing, OK? It
wasn’t for electricity. It wasn’t for doing the power balance, or
any of that. The work we did was totally based on using the carbon
for manufacturing. That’s the work we did. OK? I have no skin in
the game to keeping natural gas for power, for anything other than a
transition. There’s no reason to do that. Because it is an emitter.
It’s not as big an emitter as coal, but it certainly is an emitter.
So you’ve got to use it as a transition. That’s it. Until
batteries become affordable and scalable, until we can actually get
more Snowy Hydros. And why you need a gas pipeline is as much to
provide that transition for that, but more for industry, which is why
I’m trying to bring it back to the feedstock conversation.
MALCOLM
TURNBULL:
Andrew,
where are the 850,000 jobs that use gas as feedstock?
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
Fertilisers,
plastics, chemicals, explosives… [my yellow highlighting]
NOTE:
An estimated 16,511 persons are employed in the four industries cited
by Mr. Liveris. See note below.
MALCOLM
TURNBULL:
And
there are 850,000 people working in Australia making plastics?
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
Yes,
yes.
MALCOLM
TURNBULL:
Is
that right?
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
Not
plastics – all those industries I just said.
MALCOLM
TURNBULL:
I
don’t think that’s true.
SARAH
HANSON-YOUNG:
No.
Yeah.
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
That
is true. I can send you the data.
MALCOLM
TURNBULL:
I
think you’ve exaggerated. I honestly think you’re way out of...
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
Well...
MALCOLM
TURNBULL:
...you’re
way off the chart.
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
Malcolm,
I use the same people you used for research, as when you were prime
minister. So, go talk to the people in Canberra.
MALCOLM
TURNBULL:
OK.
Well...
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
I
mean, they’re the same...
MALCOLM
TURNBULL
I
don’t mind you mansplaining me. That’s alright. (CHUCKLES)
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
I’m
not. I’m not, Malcolm.
MALCOLM
TURNBULL:
You
are, but it’s alright. It’s OK. It’s OK.
ANDREW
LIVERIS:
That’s
a pretty cheap blow.
MALCOLM
TURNBULL:
It’s
OK. It’s OK. It’s alright.
NOTES:
1.Fertiliser
Manufacturing in Australia
in
2021
employed 3,557 persons.
2.Plastics
Manufacturing
& Plastic
Bottle Manufacturing in Australia
in 2020 & 2021 employed a
combined total of 8,154
persons.
3.Explosives Manufacturing in Australia
in 2020 & 2021 employed 3,527 persons.
4.Basic
Organic Chemical* Manufacturing in Australia
in
2020 employed 1,273 persons. *The
modern term “basic organic chemical” now refers to chemicals
derived from both organic and carbon sources such as petroleum &
natural gas.
5.Industrial
Gas Manufacturing in Australia in
2021 employed 2,005 persons.